report on Origami Toast

[alexcat2]

Just to chip in - I'm not sure if any of you noticed but the "illegal simphys turret" is literally just what happens when you use the tool. He hasn't done anything special. You use the tool and it gives you the ultimate death gun. Don't ask me why Saint hasn't restricted this. To do what he did all you need to do is wire an on button to the can and carry it around with E, and by doing so your carrying will even aim the thing for you if you set it up well. If that isn't good enough you can attach it to the front of your LFS, simphys, or whatever else you might have with weld. Not to mention that many LFS planes can even shoot faster, and still deal enough damage to kill just as fast.

Put it this way - if any of you had actually bothered to properly investigate what he was doing we wouldn't even be here, needing to have this conversation. The only reason that I haven't told people about the turret is because we don't need more of whats happening in the video. If people actually investigated the thing and messed with the tool for more then 3 seconds, such actions would be pointless and you would have all had your own supercannons. I would have considered reporting the issue to Saint but last time I did because it caused a crash on a dead server he just banned me and did nothing.

In addition, you didn't even check if he had any expression 2s down. If you actually investigated the e2 menu for 5 minutes you could have found this. Beyond the gun, all the video shows is him healing rapidly upon being hit. A macro absolutely could spawn healthpacks under a man. I've seen many videos where people have a button bound to spawning a desk so they can propspam better on darkrp servers. If Saint were to think that they were bad, they could also be banned, but as of now they aren't. While it /could/ be e2, there's no proof that it is or isn't, and he says he isn't using it.

The big thing I wan't to point out is this - experiment with stuff a little. What makes "us" - Xenon, me, Post, and others "better" isn't really e2, its more about knowing what is and is not possible on LFG. Half the stuff that we do that y'all label as e2 abuse is just finding gaps in the mechanics. For example, there's 1 way glass, explosive props, and "infinite" props available on LFG without any e2 involvement. 1 way glass is great for pvp when using CW weapons. Explosives are self explanatory. Infinite props are great for building. Perhaps if you actually tried to expand your knowledge of the game you wouldn't need to complain on a forum that someone is better at the game then you. Its not even that hard, I have offered help to those willing to learn, and there are many tutorials online. Its on you to actually learn if you ever want to be better. Its not as if the powers are purely evil either. You can abuse props, tools, and dupes as well, and on the flip side a lot of the server and even some admins use the e2s I create for the server daily.

TL;DR -
The simphys turret is just a tool. You could have been messing with it as well if you tried.
It was definitely possible that he was using macros, and you never even checked the e2 menu to see if he was using any.
If any of you bothered to investigate or learn about how the game works and how our group does what it does, you could easily be just as powerful and have just as much fun as we do, instead of fighting about a man on a server the owner doesn't even visit.

[Bengis]

TL;DR -
The simphys turret is just a tool. You could have been messing with it as well if you tried.
It was definitely possible that he was using macros, and you never even checked the e2 menu to see if he was using any.
If any of you bothered to investigate or learn about how the game works and how our group does what it does, you could easily be just as powerful and have just as much fun as we do, instead of fighting about a man on a server the owner doesn't even visit.

Cool but he is still using e2 to get an unfair combat advantage and hes targeting players with e2 so....

[Demonik1]

Half the stuff that we do that y'all label as e2 abuse is just finding gaps in the mechanics. For example, there's 1 way glass, explosive props, and "infinite" props available on LFG

The only reason that I haven't told people about the turret is because we don't need more of whats happening in the video.

If any of you bothered to investigate or learn about how the game works and how our group does what it does, you could easily be just as powerful and have just as much fun as we do

Oh ok, so what I'm getting from this statement of yours is that you knowingly and willingly exploit the server to do things to give you an unfair advantage and to break the Donator Paywall to have more props added to your limit. While at the same time keep the information and ability to yourself for you to exploit for yourself and only instead of attempting to contact @SaintLuther and patch these things?

[alexcat2]

Cool but he is still using e2 to get an unfair combat advantage and hes targeting players with e2 so....

I mean did you not read the part where I said its perfectly plausible that he wasn't using e2, and that you didn't even check the e2 menu for if he was using any? Above all else this would come down to proof, and without using that menu its sorely lacking.

Oh ok, so what I'm getting from this statement of yours is that you knowingly and willingly exploit the server to do things to give you an unfair advantage and to break the Donator Paywall to have more props added to your limit. While at the same time keep the information and ability to yourself for you to exploit for yourself and only instead of attempting to contact @SaintLuther and patch these things?

I do things because its fun and I can. Not to mention if you were ever on in the past fovever you would know that I rarely pvp, if ever. Even though I might be able to dominate the server if I wanted to, I haven't, and even if you say I am you would still lack any proof to back that up. All I really use it for is to build nicer stuff, which you would see if you actually checked what I did half the time or the dupes page I have published.

On the second front, did you even read the part where I mentioned that last time I tried to help LFG and Saint, I got banned for my efforts? Beyond that, if you ever interacted with me or asked for any of the details, I normally freely give stuff away. The reason I wasn't talking about the simphys turret is because we don't need wanton chaos on the server. Keeping it a secret is my best compromise between letting it into the world and attempting to actually work with Saint.

[Bengis]

I do things because its fun and I can. Not to mention if you were ever on in the past fovever you would know that I rarely pvp, if ever. Even though I might be able to dominate the server if I wanted to, I haven't, and even if you say I am you would still lack any proof to back that up. All I really use it for is to build nicer stuff, which you would see if you actually checked what I did half the time or the dupes page I have published.

Uh oh, guys tough guy alert!

also, saint wouldn't have banned you for helping the server, he banned you for crashing it or abusing your power. You're acting like some kind of badass rejected anime character, which you aren't, just shut the fuck up and gtfo back to metastruct or whatever

[UHC]

you have made very poor choice of words alex. not to mention, you are the type who tells people about exploits, not the one who tries to get them fixed. but anyways, this LFS creation that bengis showed does in fact use e2, the dupes you decided to give everyone else have an e2 showing in plain sight, and even if they aren't what's causing the auto-lock on, that still doesn't give you free permission to use wire to lock onto a player. Why don't you make a video and prove to us its not against the rules?

update: I took some screenshots of your anti-LFS code and you can see the the anti-lfs launcher in the back. Im not good at reading e2, so maybe someone else can decipher this?
https://lfgs.co/u/9ySc4.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/62XpN.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/DFIQv.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/sOiQU.jpg
and a video showing someone else (note they stopped doing it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2w0LW4L...e=youtu.be

on top of that, your story saying origami just spawned health kits sounds and looks bogus. He is rapidly spawning snarks and healing at the same time. I cant see his screen, but im not so sure you can do both at the same time. if he was spawning health kits himself his reaction is insane. that basically means he had to have know in advance when he would be hit and somehow made them spawn on top of him even though he isn't facing down. If you excuse is that he's so close to the shooter he was able to spawn it on top of him, that doesn't explain why only origami is being healed and not also the one shooting him. If he isn't using e2, he is using wire, I've seen players attach certain wire tools to an hp/suit charger, making it so that if their hp or health lowers at all, it will auto refill. if that's not what hes doing, hes using healthkits in a similar way

[child beater 9k]

What the fuck went down over here jesus christ. Look if you want to prove your point that badly, yeah I health pack spammed with wire and found an extremely bitchy tool to commit genocide but I don't think there's ever been anything against the second one. If this warrants a one or two week ban or whatever it is, do your thing Saint

[alexcat2]

Uh oh, guys tough guy alert!

also, saint wouldn't have banned you for helping the server, he banned you for crashing it or abusing your power. You're acting like some kind of badass rejected anime character, which you aren't, just shut the fuck up and gtfo back to metastruct or whatever

No, I more or less did get banned for attempting to help, although it did involve a crash. I still don't exactly know what caused it, but a dupe I had made using an LFS and a single prop could instacrash the server. I discovered this at like 3 AM when I was the only one on. If I did not report the problem to Saint, I likely wouldn't have been banned.

Also, it probably didn't come through right, so I'll make it clear. If you were ever on at all, you would have noticed that all I really ever do is fuck off in my own corner programming or building stuff. I don't really pvp because I utterly suck at "fair" pvp (IE no e2 abuse, which I don't do). If I wanted to go fight something, I would do it in single-player where I could actually win.

What I mean't by dominate is that e2 is absurdly powerful and really easy to use for abuse, if that was ever my thing. Hell, I know how to easily crash the server with two lines of code. One makes it run forever, the other makes it spawn infinite stuff until the server runs out of memory. Hell, that one was discovered by accident when I was trying to make something that would clean up the satchel charge spam that used to be popular on the server.

My real point is that while I know a ton of this "server destroying" stuff that often involves e2, I don't actually do anything with it. Unless you made 1984 a reality on a gmod server and its forums, theres no rule against me knowing how to break the rules, the only real crime is actually breaking them.

you have made very poor choice of words alex. not to mention, you are the type who tells people about exploits, not the one who tries to get them fixed. but anyways, this LFS creation that bengis showed does in fact use e2, the dupes you decided to give everyone else have an e2 showing in plain sight, and even if they aren't what's causing the auto-lock on, that still doesn't give you free permission to use wire to lock onto a player. Why don't you make a video and prove to us its not against the rules?

update: I took some screenshots of your anti-LFS code and you can see the the anti-lfs launcher in the back. Im not good at reading e2, so maybe someone else can decipher this?
https://lfgs.co/u/9ySc4.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/62XpN.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/DFIQv.jpg
https://lfgs.co/u/sOiQU.jpg
and a video showing someone else (note they stopped doing it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2w0LW4L...e=youtu.be

on top of that, your story saying origami just spawned health kits sounds and looks bogus. He is rapidly spawning snarks and healing at the same time. I cant see his screen, but im not so sure you can do both at the same time. if he was spawning health kits himself his reaction is insane. that basically means he had to have know in advance when he would be hit and somehow made them spawn on top of him even though he isn't facing down. If you excuse is that he's so close to the shooter he was able to spawn it on top of him, that doesn't explain why only origami is being healed and not also the one shooting him. If he isn't using e2, he is using wire, I've seen players attach certain wire tools to an hp/suit charger, making it so that if their hp or health lowers at all, it will auto refill. if that's not what hes doing, hes using healthkits in a similar way

For starters, could you elaborate a bit better if this is serious, I'm having trouble understanding a few of your starting points.

I haven't really told people about the serious exploits, usually only the tools that they can use and possibly a few useful but not abusive e2s. The visual clip tool literally just makes 1 way vision props, if Saint didn't want that then he wouldn't have added the tool. The explosive prop I was referencing was a pitiful oil can or something, it couldn't even deal 1 hp of damage. Wasn't overpowered, at most a hidden way to make neat stuff. Hell, you shrugged when I showed you the fireworks I made using it. As for e2, its normally just useful tools only possible with e2, such as a better version of the TAC insert that still wont work reliably, a large rid-able spider that looks cool, or a working radio so you can listen to tunes. I keep all of the truly bad things with me and never use the things (and even if I did share stuff, its not in any of the rules that you can't share broken stuff).

My dupes that work using e2 and my e2s use e2? This confuses me. Yes, some of my dupes use e2 to do stuff. However, e2 is legal though? If Saint did not want e2 to be usable as a tool he would not have added e2 to his server. Also, last time I checked, sharing e2s was legal. If not then you wouldn't be allowed to use the allahu ackbar man dupe I gave you so long ago, as it uses e2. Also what do you mean by make a video? What are you referencing, English rules would dictate it would be the e2 rules that were the subject of the paragraph and the point of the previous sentence. Proving that the rules aren't against the rules sounds kind of pointless? If you're talking about how its illegal to autotarget people, I don't do that (more on the anti LFS later). At most they are player controlled, which you were ok with, such as with the antitank gun that I made.

What exactly do you want me to say about my anti LFS code? Its code? I need more specifics. With mine, It was mostly a passion project to make a decently good model. I mostly tested it off in the corner of a map by myself (the key point being that I never used it on players, only my own LFS), and before I shelved it everyone was pretty excited by it, and all consented to demonstrations. Again, I never used it on people without consent. I'm not sure who was placing it everywhere, but they aren't really connected in any way to me. By the way it does have weaknesses programmed in. If you use more then one it breaks - that's why they stopped firing in the clip. Also they do take damage, just put a clip or two of gunfire, or a single tank shell into it and it dies.

Back to Toast, I was mainly just being devils advocate, and just explored what he was saying. I know its at least possible on some level, especially with speed runners and CS:GO players that basically have macros just play the game for them. As for wire, its definitely possible as well. I have seen many players use a semi complex system for free heals. You use a rapidly spinning motor to trigger a distance sensor, which causes users (they press e on things for you) to mash e on the healer and charger entities. He probably also used a few wire gates to attach the can to himself if he wasn't directly holding it. Also, interesting fact, apperantly wiremod is legal for combat given the LFG rules, only E2 and PAC3 can't be used in combat. Although combat healing technically is legal, and LFS users should be banned for spamming infinite rockets.

[UHC]

There's better ways to respond to someone that doesn't use a wall of text @alexcat2. You don't even address my response properly. The whole point of the screenshots and video was to prove that your anti-lfs uses e2, the pictures are to show it's code, the video was to show how it can lock onto and shoot lfs, and unless the player gives consent, targeting them with e2 or whatever you are using is against the rules. The only thing I can think of where this is legal is the lfs weapon rocket launcher.

[child beater 9k]

There's better ways to respond to someone that doesn't use a wall of text @alexcat2. You don't even address my response properly. The whole point of the screenshots and video was to prove that your anti-lfs uses e2, the pictures are to show it's code, the video was to show how it can lock onto and shoot lfs, and unless the player gives consent, targeting them with e2 or whatever you are using is against the rules. The only thing I can think of where this is legal is the lfs weapon rocket launcher.

Ok sure he made it and used me during testing as consent, he didn't use it on anybody himself, he's not responsible for what other people do with his shit.