report on Origami Toast

[alexcat2]

UHC if you had directly asked that question that's all I would have responded with, but the vague wording led me to wanting to cover my bases.

If you look at the third paragraph, it says it, and I will say it here again. Yes, the anti LFS e2 can track and target LFS. However, I did not use it on players without consent. I have not used it at all since I was done programming it. At most I tested it on a few consenting people who wanted to help me test it.

Whoever is spamming the thing is not me. If you wanted you could have a pretty clear cut case against them. Hell, they were being a bit dumb and used too many of the things - it breaks by placing too many missiles if you have more then 1. If you were that desperate to ban someone else, I could explain some of the code in his or her application.

[Bengis]

UHC if you had directly asked that question that's all I would have responded with, but the vague wording led me to wanting to cover my bases.

If you look at the third paragraph, it says it, and I will say it here again. Yes, the anti LFS e2 can track and target LFS. However, I did not use it on players without consent. I have not used it at all since I was done programming it. At most I tested it on a few consenting people who wanted to help me test it.

Whoever is spamming the thing is not me. If you wanted you could have a pretty clear cut case against them. Hell, they were being a bit dumb and used too many of the things - it breaks by placing too many missiles if you have more then 1. If you were that desperate to ban someone else, I could explain some of the code in his or her application.

We understand you did not use it to kill other people without consent, but if you have such a powerful thing that could dominate the server why the fuck did you just give it out to everyone you met.

Ive noticed its mostly just in the hands of the furry squad, which is a pretty obvious red flag that your shit is going to be abused to all hell, and im not sure why you didnt do anything like just not give it to people.

[alexcat2]

We understand you did not use it to kill other people without consent, but if you have such a powerful thing that could dominate the server why the fuck did you just give it out to everyone you met.

Ive noticed its mostly just in the hands of the furry squad, which is a pretty obvious red flag that your shit is going to be abused to all hell, and im not sure why you didnt do anything like just not give it to people.

I don't really give stuff out to random people, I only give it out to people I'm friends with, mainly because they asked for it or were interested in it. They also know the rules, and its their fault if they break them. Hell, as an example I was a friend to Dragonrider, and often tried (and failed) to convince him to act like a normal human being. While I did give him stuff its his fault for using it, and also the type of reason for why he is banned.

[westernspy]

I don't really give stuff out to random people, I only give it out to people I'm friends with, mainly because they asked for it or were interested in it. They also know the rules, and its their fault if they break them. Hell, as an example I was a friend to Dragonrider, and often tried (and failed) to convince him to act like a normal human being. While I did give him stuff its his fault for using it, and also the type of reason for why he is banned.

Just don’t give it to people that often break the rules

[child beater 9k]

Just don’t give it to people that often break the rules

I give you a knife and you stab your mum with it, now who's fault is this

[SaintLuther]

I give you a knife and you stab your mum with it, now who's fault is this

Your analogy is flawed as anyone can acquire a knife IRL. A better analogy is "I give you an M249 and you shoot up a school with it, now whose* fault is it"

[Demonik1]

"I give you an M249 and you shoot up a school with it, now whose* fault is it"

I mean if you give someone an M249 and they shoot up a place with it you could be found guilty of complicity

[SaintLuther]

I mean if you give someone an M249 and they shoot up a place with it you could be found guilty of complicity

Exactly

[child beater 9k]

Alright yeah that's fair

[alexcat2]

Your analogy is flawed as anyone can acquire a knife IRL. A better analogy is "I give you an M249 and you shoot up a school with it, now whose* fault is it"

To start, there is currently no rule against distribution of stuff on LFG. If so, Dragonrider should be permanently banned for his crash dupes, but no one really cared then.

While In a way it makes sense, you are forgetting that anyone can make an e2 like this with little to no effort. 90% of the code is just there to make it look nice. Hell, my first e2 was dedicated to making an LFS targeting module to deal with the AI LFS spam when they were first introduced. The actual important guts of this system took about 15 minutes to make, and don't use any hard to understand parts of e2. Its less of a machine gun and more of a particularly sharpened stick.

Beyond that, anyone smart enough to make a working modification to the e2 would be smart enough to make their own far more powerful version. Bengis mentioned in main forum chat that he could try to change the health, but there's nothing stopping someone who has the brainpower to do it from removing the health, range, and power limits entirely. If he actually knew anything about how e2 worked, he could for instance make it directly spawn and detonate explosives on the LFS, or if he was particularly malicious, all players on the server.

While e2 is powerful and there's little stopping it from leveling the server entirely, that isn't something I do or give others the power to do. I gave out a "server destroying" Anti LFS turret that has limits. I did not give out the rendering engine destorying e2, the unblockable server crasher, or the full server collsion breaker e2s, among others. Anyone smart enough to start doing that wouldn't need any of my help to do so.