[Rejected] Regarding TTT's Mass RDM rules

[DarudeDankstorm]

Something happened a while back that I was considering posting about a while back, and I finally got around to it. I think that we should make a slight exception to the Mass RDM bans. While most people intentionally RDM, I've seen a few cases of complete accidents. For example, a while back, a T threw a holy hand grenade (he didn't know what it did) and managed to kill 3 other Ts. I want to make a change to the rules. Something like:

If a player Mass RDMs in a single round, using a single attack, and their intentions were clearly not malicious (up to the staff online), the accused played would serve out 6 autoslays or a day ban in place of a week ban. 

I feel like this protects the rare occasion of players taking out teammates accidentally. Now of course, this doesn't apply to RDM over time or clear intent to RDM.

[SaintLuther]

If they mass rdm in one round, chances are they'll be karma banned anyways...

[DarudeDankstorm]

If they mass rdm in one round, chances are they'll be karma banned anyways...

Karma just gets really low, and usually doesn't get under 600 if you kill 3 innos/Ts in one round. I've seen a guest that wanted to be a usual on the server get week banned and stopped coming on because he was new and didn't understand what weapons did what. Stuff like that is obviously accidental. I realize that we slay for accidental RDMs, but a ban for an accidental is a bit much. I think 6 slays for Mass RDM in one action (nade, shot, T weapon, etc) is fair, but if a johnsmith349 with no profile picture joins, doesn't talk, runs around unloading a shotgun into people's heads, he deserves the ban.

[SaintLuther]

I'm sure this would result in every member or friend of staff getting a reduced punishment whether it was intentional or not. And then you'd have staff arguing whether or not it was intentional and what their punishment should be. People would be less careful about rdming because they know the worst they would get is only 6 slays instead of a 1 week ban. Sounds like a bad idea all around.

[TrueCrimson]

I was apart of that death. I gave him a chance to explain but he never did. I still find it fishy he didn't know what a grenade did. I understand what Darude is saying though and if he refines the idea possibly could be useful. But it needs a lot of editing.

[DarudeDankstorm]

I was apart of that death. I gave him a chance to explain but he never did. I still find it fishy he didn't know what a grenade did. I understand what Darude is saying though and if he refines the idea possibly could be useful. But it needs a lot of editing.

Dude got back to me recently saying that he probably wouldn't come back to a server that bans for something like that. As for refining the rule, I'm all open to suggestions. Maybe something about them apologizing for it, or some sort of remorse or something. If somebody means to throw a made into a room, and they misjudge the angle and it bounces back and kills 3 teammates, it shouldn't be a week ban.

[TrueCrimson]

Dude got back to me recently saying that he probably wouldn't come back to a server that bans for something like that. As for refining the rule, I'm all open to suggestions. Maybe something about them apologizing for it, or some sort of remorse or something. If somebody means to throw a made into a room, and they misjudge the angle and it bounces back and kills 3 teammates, it shouldn't be a week ban.

If this rule is changed I believe they must consult with an admin one on one and explain everything. A lot of people refuse to talk about is and this is only like 10% of people who don't do it out of trolling. I agree with Saint staff might abuse this but since only admins can ban right off the back I think we should be responsible enough to not do that. If this rule is added there needs to be clear guid lines to it so that every admin is on the same page. Staff would also have to be careful not abuse it themselves. I am not opposed to this rule but there needs to be clear guid lines behind it and staff should not protect their friends. If the staff can agree to not argue over it and we can have a sit down with some staff and go over this rule I am okay with changing parts of the rule.

Adding: If the person is on the watchlist though they should not be applied to this rule change due to having prior issues with staff.

[DarudeDankstorm]

If this rule is changed I believe they must consult with an admin one on one and explain everything. A lot of people refuse to talk about is and this is only like 10% of people who don't do it out of trolling. I agree with Saint staff might abuse this but since only admins can ban right off the back I think we should be responsible enough to not do that. If this rule is added there needs to be clear guid lines to it so that every admin is on the same page. Staff would also have to be careful not abuse it themselves. I am not opposed to this rule but there needs to be clear guid lines behind it and staff should not protect their friends. If the staff can agree to not argue over it and we can have a sit down with some staff and go over this rule I am okay with changing parts of the rule.

Adding: If the person is on the watchlist though they should not be applied to this rule change due to having prior issues with staff.

Alright, so lets just try and establish a set rule:

If a player RDMs 3 or more people with a single weapon or attack, and he or she not only explains what happened to an admin but also shows remorse, they can receive 6 autoslays instead of a week ban. This is not applicable to known RDMers or anybody being watched for rulebreaking.

[SaintLuther]

There's no need to overcomplicate the rules regarding punishments. They're pretty clear as is. If someone accidentally mass RDMed, then they can make an appeal, simple as that.