[Partially Approved] E2 restrictions thread

[Demonik1]

If you are saying you need to restrict the entirety of E2 then you are admitting that all of the staff, including you are incompetent.

is nobody reading the original post about this topic?

[alexcat2]

We already restricted the "broken" ATGM, and now you want findCore and SentSpawn restricted. Abuse with these is very obvious and easy to spot and thus make a ban over. We do not need it restricted if we have even a handful of active admins.

[Demonik1]

you want findCore and SentSpawn restricted.

This is half correct, I am up for restricting SentSpawn but I don't want to restrict FindCore, I just want to remove the ability to use "Players" as a valid string.

You would know that if you actually read my post.

[zackadiax247]

is nobody reading the original post about this topic?

Sounds like you didnt, your the one not reading shit, you may be skimming it but thats not the same as reading. just because you cant get anyone who actually cares about LFG to agree with your E2 hate boner dosent mean we are going off topic. and to be on (rough) topic. restricting the functions of E2 dosent really help that much, because players will just find another way to bypass it. the only thing that can really help is if the staff would do their jobs instead of complaining on the forums because they dont want to have to actually do their job.

Demonik being a perfect example of this. im fairly certain that UHC, SCMC and Present are the only people who care about this server and the way its going. I'm not saying that they are the only good staff, im saying that they seem to be the only ones who competently enforce the rules instead of crying to daddy saint because being a staff member is hard.

[alexcat2]

finding player can be stupidly useful in non abusive ways. If you read my post it said that I use it to make smart doors and teleporters to have nice bases as well as a number of other really nice things.

SentSpawn is also useful for a number of things as I had listed. You can use it to automate useful tasks like giving people the Tau cannon or equipping yourself with the exosuit on spawn.

Also, if SentSpawn was being abused with explosives its really obvious, and even if you cant simply list the 10 or so things in the entities tab that are explosive, you should be able to tell what was currently being abused and ban that as well easily.

Since you wanted discourse I showed you that it is very useful in non abusive ways. It would be more constructive to ban and wireban people who abuse and constructively restrict e2 rather then outright removing functions. If you go through with this, the entire LFG technical community will leave.

[child beater 9k]

The argument @Demonik1 is making here is "You can harm someone with [insert gardening tool] here, so we're confiscating everyone's shovels". Restricting e2 to Member and above has been something all of us have recommended for a while, not restricting functions that are used by most e2s far more often beneficially than malevolently.

[Demonik1]

Restricting e2 to Member and above has been something all of us have recommended for a while

It's a nice idea until you consider the primary abusers are members like @"Origami Toast"

[alexcat2]

Bruh I just told you that you are capable of using WireBans against him if you catch him abusing. If he is the only thing you have a problem with then we don't need to ban every constructive part of LFG.

[zackadiax247]

Another point I want to make is that members can kick and ban people who are abusing. If it was really that much of an issue then any member with half a braincell would be on top of it, often faster than staff would be. If a member ban turns out to be false it can be appealed on the forums. Most of this just seems to be Demonik complaining because he actually has to do staff member stuff instead of lording over the players. UHC isnt even required to kick/ban people and he still dose a far better job of handling the server than Demonik.

[Bengis]

Another point I want to make is that members can kick and ban people who are abusing. If it was really that much of an issue then any member with half a braincell would be on top of it, often faster than staff would be. If a member ban turns out to be false it can be appealed on the forums. Most of this just seems to be Demonik complaining because he actually has to do staff member stuff instead of lording over the players. UHC isnt even required to kick/ban people and he still dose a far better job of handling the server than Demonik.

The problem is most of the admins and members are the ones doing it, so why would they ban themselves? Its also far easier to just get rid of the problem forever than kick and ban people. Also if demonik did want to lord over players and feel power, automated prop deletion wouldnt be it, because: A. He wont know when it happens, and B: Its not him deleting the prop or banning someone, its just a automated system. I think you just want all this stuff allowed so you can feel some sort of power on the server because "haha i have the boom e2 that explodes everyone fear me i can kill you!!11" and demonik is threatening to take away that power.